Justin Brown:

In Session 25, during the bar scene, I don't think the pistol Shin uses is a Glock.

It's *very* hard to tell, to start with the picture quality isn't amazing, and the 'gunsmoke' effect further blurs it, but the back of Shin's gun definitely has gradient to it, not a flat, squared off rear like is regular of a Glock. When you compare the rear to Spike's gun, you can definitely tell there's a trigger there, plus the shadow on the right side of the gun comes to a triangular point at the back, not a flat one. It's very hard to pinpoint what weapon it is, but with a viewable trigger, it's not a Glock. If he's like Linn, he might be packing a SIG, but it's too hard to tell.

For my own part on the Glock from the Red Dragon's HQ, I'd say it's very difficult to ID the weapon, because there's no side shot of the barrel. A side shot would give an idea on barrel length, grip length, etc. Being viewed from the rear or front can make the barrel seem shorter, which makes it look compact or sub-compact. The front of the weapon is a Glock, no two ways. However, once taking into account the shortening front view, it could still be a full-length G??. It can't be pegged by bullet counting, because Shin doesn't fire enough, and the G17 and G19 have the same bullet capacity.

For a more detailed shot of Shin's gun, check out page 39 for the blow-ups I took here..


Steven Tran-Creque:

Checked your site on a whim recently (been a while since I'd last looked around), and I noticed the bit about Shin's Glock in episode 25.

On closer examination, there is absolutely no way in hell that thing can be a Glock. From the initial screen cap (http://bebopguide.50megs.com/img110.jpg), yeah, it possesses the boxy slid profile and squared off, serrated trigger guard of the Glock series (should also point out that were it a Glock, it would have to be a compact model, almost certainly a 19; just compare its size with Spike's Jericho 941R, which is a full size handgun; also, no one really works with anything other than 9mmP in the series, with a few notable exceptions).

Unfortunately, if you take a look at the top down view (http://bebopguide.50megs.com/img111.jpg), it looks nothing like a Glock at all. The rear of the slide just doesn't possess the Glock's characteristic boxy angles, and the pistol appears altogether too wide to fit the right proportions. But the biggest indicator of it un-Glock-ness is from this shot (http://bebopguide.50megs.com/img112.jpg). The gun itself is too tall to be a Glock; it has a forward sloped cut or indentation in the reciever underneath the slide, which the Glock series definitely does no have; it has what appears to be a Sig-esque indentation in the slide; and it has a long, Sig style slide release that you would absolutely never see on a Glock. Lastly, you can also see that the trigger guard is somewhat sloped and not as squared off as it initially seems. This last bit could be written off as an error, but largely, I've found that Bebop has an absolutely meticulous attention to detail, and if something doesn't quite match up, it's because it shouldn't.

So, what is it? I'm honestly not sure. The long Sig style cut in the slide initially had me thinking HS2000, but this gun's profile just doesn't quite match up. And, hell, given that it came out in 1999, it's fairly likely that there's no way it could've ever made its way into the series anyway. After poking around for a bit, I really became faily convinced that it's a Sig Pro series, probably a P2009. The relative size to Spike's Jericho 941 matches up, the serrations on the trigger guard match up, and the forward slide/reciever details all match up (sloped cut underneath the slide, slide extrusion that bevels in as it approaches the muzzle, long slide release bar). The general muzzle profi le is fairly close, though it's hard to see from the small screen cap.

What doesn't quite match up, however, is the trigger guard's shape, which is fairly boxy from the initial shot on your site but somewhat sloped on the P2009. The P2022 variant of the P2009, however, has this squared off 'combat style' trigger guard. The only problem is that it also has a set of rails forward of the trigger guard, and those are definitely not present on Shin's gun. Be that as it may, I'm still convinced it's a P2009 or a P2022, depending on how much you're willing to write off as the fault of bad angles, though I suppose it's certainly possible that it's just a fictional slight refit of the Pro series. They did, after all, do that with the 941.

Also worth noting that a Sig Pro would, on an artistic level, be a very fitting parallel and foil for his brother's P226/P220. His brother was devoted to the old ways of the syndicate, etc; Shin, on the other hand, was not.


Shin:

Electra's Glock

Hi I just wanted to state an opinion in regards to Electras Glock. After reading your article I watched every scene with electras gun close up and in slow mo on my dvd player.

And I found that it never changes, even in the jail break scene! she uses the same model for the whole movie.

On the train not so much when she points the gun at vincent but when she cocks it and flips the safety before moving back the train you can clearly see that its the glock she puts in her pocket. And on the bonus feature concept art they have a picture of the jail break gun and it shows that its just electras gun with flashlight laser combo that possibly increases range.
As for the sig i just dont see it? She only ever uses a gock from what I can see who knows maybe its a GLOCK 71. lol, L dunno maybe someone else might.


Taylor Mock:

I'm writing to make an observation.

On the page about "Shin's Glock" (http://bebopguide.50megs.com/page19.html), you suggest that it is a compact Glock 9mm. It does appear to be in the first (http://bebopguide.50megs.com/img110.jpg) and second (http://bebopguide.50megs.com/img111.jpg) pictures. However, in the third picture (http://bebopguide.50megs.com/img112.jpg), where Spike and Shin and pointing their pistols at each other, the pistol Shin is holding is not a Glock. Glocks are very plain, even the newest models, which have a accessory-rail molded into the dustcover area of the frame. The pistol in that cap has some interesting lines, namely the raised rail directly above the frame dustcover.

I believe the pistol in that cap is a SIG Sauer P226 (http://www.sigarms.com/apps/cmt/img/p226-navy-large.jpg), maybe the SIG P228 (compact) (http://www.sigarms.com/apps/cmt/img/p228-large.jpg)which are both usually chambered in 9mm. SIGs are pretty rectangular from the front, so it could be…

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